Meeting 13 4\/4\/1975

April 4, 1975 SERENA SAYS

SERENA: Well, in trying to decide what to talk about tonight I asked all you people the topics that you would be interested in and nobody gave me a really firm topic, so I am just going to say a few things and then if you have a question, please ask it, and then we will get started. Anything you have ever wanted to know but no one ever asked you to ask it. Ask it tonight, Okay?

I am just going to say a few words about enlightenment. That's what I was thinking about today. Enlightenment is opening ourselves to the wisdom that has always been within us. And that means opening ourselves to our hearts, which is Divine Understanding. Only with Divine Understanding, when that pours forth from us, can we turn the knowledge that our mind has into wisdom. So when we open our hearts to everyone and to everything, seeking to see the very face of God in everything you look at, then we will receive Divine Understanding. And that will make us wise. It is all a process of waking up. And when the wise man wakes up in the morning, he recognizes why he needed to sleep, right? Any questions? Anything.

QUESTION: Serena, the scientists tell us that the light from most of the stars that we see right now left some hundreds to thousands to millions of light years ago. And this length of time that the universe around us has been in existence is just unfathomable. Does time really go back that far as we know it or is there a difference which we don't understand?

SERENA: A beam of light was never meant to be contained, and so it is with the soul. So become free. Don't tell me everyone in here already knows everything and you just didn't tell me, right?

QUESTION: Would you speak about Baptism? Have you ever talked about that?

SERENA: Just slightly.

QUESTION: Is it necessary?

SERENA: The baptism by water is symbolic of cleansing of the soul or washing the sins away, and for many people that is a very necessary thing. And I believe in it. Very strongly. If you do. If a person feels that they need to be baptized, then that's very well. It is symbolic of cleansing the soul. And it is purifying no matter how we look at it.

QUESTION: What about baptism or christening of babies.

SERENA: It couldn't hurt them, could it? Surely it is getting them off on the right start.

QUESTION: How many times could we or should we or will we be baptized? Does it have to be in a church with water or could you do it again when you are 30 or could you take a bath.

SERENA: Surely just in living a life and going around from day to day, loving God, seeking to serve God in everyone that we meet, then surely we are baptized a thousand times a day. Every pure thought that we try to have for someone, every negative that we turn to a positive, that's a purification. And purification is a baptism.

QUESTION: What does baptism of the spirit mean to you as it is spoken of in the Bible?

SERENA: The purification of the soul. The soul is striving to know itself, and it is striving to experience many things. And when the soul is seeking ... I think at the moment that we truly say, "God, I recognize that there is a will far greater than this free will that I have, and I would that I could give my life to you. And you would use me as Thy vessel, to serve through me," then perhaps that is the beginning of baptism of the spirit.

QUESTION: Serena, today on the 5:00 News I heard that something interesting happened in and around North Carolina...about four U.F.O. sightings or landings. And I just wondered if this is not some of our spiritual help touching ground.

SERENA: Surely, yes. They are waiting for man to wake up. They are the first ones you will see in the morning.

QUESTION: There are some who see them and some who don't, I mean even if one came into this room right now.

QUESTION: Serena, were they around here about two weeks ago? Is there a possibility of it?

SERENA: I think they are here all the time.

QUESTION: In this room?

SERENA: That's possible, yes.

QUESTION: Because Kathy said she saw something over the mountain.

SERENA: Well, Fred and I thought we saw something, but it turned out to be an airplane.

QUESTION: This was stationary and it wouldn't move. It was very high light and it would not move.

QUESTION: I think we should ' ... (inaudible) We are the only ones who seem upset.

SERENA: We shouldn't worry about houses or things.

QUESTION: When Jesus was crucified and died on the cross, Judas betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. I heard you mention this at the beginning. Was this betrayal done in hate or for the money or was it done in ignorance? Then he really didn't betray Him, he was misled by the people of the town or the king that no harm would come. What was the purpose of that betrayal, and why did he kill himself?

SERENA: Just to give you my thought on it, as understand it. I feel that Judas thought that he was doing what Jesus needed done to him. I feel like that Judas was so long with Jesus, and suddenly I think that through his own ignorance, because he didn't have the understanding that the others had reached. He couldn't quite let go of the earthly things like the money and things. He was always worrying. And I think that he felt that Jesus perhaps reached a point where he thought Jesus had gotten a little out of hand - that maybe Jesus had just gone too far. This happens - actually, betrayals of this kind have happened many times on earth. Betrayal is quite a crude word I guess that we use. I think that sincerely that people who do this type of thing which has been done before do feel that they are doing what's best. I feel that Judas really did feel that Jesus had gotten out of hand. That Jesus had just gone a little too far. And then perhaps he realized that that wasn't it at all. And then I don't think he could live with himself. Judas was an example of that unless we try to purify ourselves there is nothing that can do it for us. So many times we sit and we say, "God, do this for me, God, do that for me," and we sit back and lust for the man down the street, and decide that I would just rather be nasty to them if I feel nasty to them. They'll get over it. And in our prayers and seeking to go on, perhaps Judas showed us. He was with Jesus day and night, but he didn't put effort into purification. He himself did not try. No matter how many times he said, "Lord, help me. Lord, I love you," still that didn't change him, because he refused to change himself. That's why Jesus said, "Heal yourselves. But when you have the light, walk in the light."

QUESTION: Did he go to hell or to the grave?

SERENA: I would say that he is probably still trying to learn. Wherever he is. I think he recognized his mistake. The soul recognized at the end of Judas' life, and I think that is why he took his own life. For surely at that point he began on his road to achieve understanding. Maybe he'll have the same thing done to him someday.

QUESTION: Serena, does suicide retard our progress or is it sometimes just what we need and it is a help to us.

SERENA: Well, suicide, one thing about it. Sometimes children are born and live only one day, and sometimes they are born and live only five months and sometimes they live seven years. Many times these are people who have committed suicide in a former incarnation, and they kill themselves perhaps one day before they would have been killed in an automobile accident the next day. And so it is that all our time that we have agreed to spend on earth must be fulfilled. So we have to come forward no matter how much we missed, we have to make it up.

QUESTION: What is hell?

SERENA: Hell is which is in all of us. Hell is that which we find it easier to live in. The lazy part of us. The part that says, "Well, God, maybe tomorrow." Surely the only hell that God ever made, He put within every man. And when we reached the point of having free will, then we were faced with two doors. Two doors and a lobby. Hell in one room, heaven in the other, and most people were trying to stand in the lobby. It's within us.

QUESTION: Serena, if we haven't learned what we came here to learn in the time allotted, the time we have given ourselves to be here, what happens then?

SERENA: I think it is inevitable that every soul that comes to earth will learn exactly what he came here to learn, because if you don't learn it, then you learn that you couldn't learn it. So it is a learning.

QUESTION: Would you explain to everybody what you were talking about last Friday night about being God's thoughts or something?

SERENA: We are the thoughts of God. Everything is. I don't remember what I said. . QUESTION: Well, it was something about, I don't remember.

SERENA: We said, "Wouldn't it be strange if that God Immovable, we were his thoughts." And one thought was so powerful and so mighty that we could live lifetime after lifetime just exhausting that thought. You see one thought would be constantly replacing another and we are exhausting while at the same time ascending. That's interesting.

QUESTION: Would you say that there is no eternal life? Is there not one day that we will die and then live forever? We keep dying and coming up.

SERENA: If you die tomorrow, you will live again. I think that there is eternal life. There can be no eternal life except with God.

QUESTION: Here on earth? How many times do you have to die before you reach eternal life?

SERENA: Well, if God that I talk about is as loving and as merciful as I feel He is, then if we only lived one time, and I look around and I see people who are starving and I see people who are rich. I picked up a Time magazine the other day and the first part of the magazine was all about people that are involved in wars and children are dying, and people - their arms were just blown off and their legs. And the compassion comes and you turn to the end of the book and they talked about having a rock opera named Tommy. And how the movie company was charged with a $35,000 food bill for a party that lasted until 2am So if we only lived one time, then why is it that some of us are fortunate enough to be here now and why are some of us are starving? Why do we have saints and why do we have sinners? Why would God make one man an alcoholic, and another man be a rich man with no problems about money? Why? Why? Why? I would ask. And so my reasoning tells me that this God that I love and I know loves me and loves all of us, that surely He had a plan of saying, "The soul and I are one, eternally. And you, soul, must experience both darkness and light to know the difference." When He put Adam and Eve in the Garden, we'll talk about that, and He said don't eat of the tree. They said, "Why, why, what will happen?" "Well, you'll get wise." "What's wise?" "Well, if you get wise, I won't be here like I am now." "Well, what's it like not to have you be here like you are now? What's it like not having you?" And they didn't know, so they tried it. And then they saw what they missed. But they couldn't know just by God saying don't do this and don't do that. They had too many questions and we are still questioning today. Surely if God loves everyone equally then the soul and God remains eternal and they remain one. And we are striving to seek that oneness with God. But we can't just live one time. We may not live a thousand times on earth, but that breaks all rules of God, it has to.

QUESTION: This is very much good reasoning and sounds very good. Where do you get your text from? Where do you get your information from?

SERENA: From my heart. I didn't read a book on it. I just looked around. You can just look right down in downtown Hendersonville, and you look at all those people walking around and you say, "Well, God, if we only live one time, then I'm not going sit in a nice room and talk to people. I'm going to get out there with that man who is really struggling." I saw myself around too many people who didn't care if I was there or not. And so I said to God, "If we only live one time, why? Why a million times?" And I got my answer. "The soul and I are one eternally. And all of mankind, all the trees, all the birds, all the dogs, everything is striving to find their oneness with me," He said. And when they do, they shall have everlasting life. They shall be immortal. "When they find their oneness with me." And that was my answer.

QUESTION: Has anyone ever found their oneness?

SERENA: I think so.

QUESTION: Where will we be then.

SERENA: Probably somewhere around here. Probably teaching other people. I think we can find our oneness. ... (inaudible exchange)

SERENA: She was asking about abortion. There are many people who are having quite a few controversies about abortion. And when you think about it being depriving a soul of coming forth, but if we love mankind, then let's not bring children into the world that aren't going to be cared for. Let them come through parents who really want a child. That's what I feel. If we love as much as we say, then let's not fill our orphanages with people that don't have anywhere to go. Let's just have a little more patience and let the child come through someone who sincerely wants the child. Then everything will be a lot better. For everyone.

QUESTION: Are you saying that killing someone, going out and shooting someone ... (inaudible)

SERENA: Man is judged by the intent in his heart. And I would rather my intent be not to bring a child that I feel wouldn't have anywhere to go into the world. If you think back, you know what that feeling feels like, I guess everyone does. Everyone reaches a point in one lifetime or another where you feel that you don't really have anywhere to go.

QUESTION: It would make them care. SERENA: Yes QUESTION: You said in one of the first sessions we were at, you said that we could progress two or three lifetimes in this lifetime if we would just open ourselves. Could you explain that now?

SERENA: Well, preparing for the new age so that it can really blossom out, it is a time when a golden opportunity is upon mankind, because we are just at that point of ascending another step on the ladder, so they are really opening things up for mankind. The truth is really beginning to spread around the world. And if people would just open their minds. It is not a matter of saying it is real or it is not real. Just plant the seed within yourself. Not pack down all the dirt so nothing there can grow. Just open yourself. That's the most golden opportunity. You see, so many times I've said things to people that really upset them, and they get very upset. But that's alright, I'm planting seeds. There is a man who will come after me and he will reap the harvest. So.

QUESTION: Is there a counter-spirit to this God spirit you are talking about?

SERENA: I don't think so .. I don't think God can have an archenemy massive ..(inaudible).. I think the enemy of God is within us. I think if we are looking for a Devil we can find it when we turn around and we say, "I don't need God." Then we are the devils ourselves.

QUESTION: Then the Bible is what in your mind? Is it not inspired?

SERENA: I believe very firmly in the Bible. I just think that there are a few things that perhaps we have misinterpreted. But I do feel that the devil is within our own selves. Because as it is, as I have said many times, "Knock on the door, and it shall be opened unto you. Anything you want, I will." As Christ said, "Ask in my name and it shall be granted you." And surely when we wish to lust, we have everything we need to lust with. When we want to love we can find love. We have everything we need right within us to love with divine love. So we can be the devil or we can be the man-God. Anything we wish to be.

QUESTION What is (?) the prince and the (?) power?

SERENA: There are people in the world which have not yet reached a point of understanding God, and so they feel that they can turn their attention to a negative type of force and work for a thing which they call the Devil, and then they can do harm against other people. And surely there is a power of thought and a power of willing something and commanding things, then we could do this. But it is all an illusion. There can be no happiness but the happiness that one finds with God. There is no love except the love a man has for God. God within man and God within God. And I just don't see that there could be this Devil could rule us. If we wish a devil to rule us, then we ourselves are the Devil and it shall rule if we wish it so. But if we open ourselves to God then God shall rule.

QUESTION: Along that line, if we wish ourselves to do wrong or have a power of Satan or whatnot, will we be able to move an object without touching it? Or would we be able to float in midair? Or would we be able to kill a bird in flight?

SERENA: I feel like I've done all this before. Yes. Because I'll tell you why. When a man begins to work for God, it is a lot more difficult than working for the Devil. Because with the Devil you can just do anything you want. You can have a nasty house, you can eat anything, you never have to fast, you never have to pray. You never have to do anything that takes any effort. People who work with the so-called Devil are some of the strongest people around. Because it is such a lenient, it is so easy for them to do.

QUESTION: This is within them though. SERENA: Yes.

QUESTION: Well, then you think that the people that do that, they are Satan churches? They are Satan worshippers? They are things that I am talking about, the occult, everything of this nature. Would it be possible for them to have the power to move an object without touching it?

SERENA: Well, I've seen myself, in my time, many people who could move objects. And you have to remember what Jesus said to the tempter when he was in the wilderness. He said, "Why don't you go jump off that tower." Remember what David said the tempter said to him. All the angels ... {inaudible) And Jesus said, "No I won't do that." And He was telling us there that even before His time He said, "How many black magicians have performed tricks in front of the Pharaohs. How many of them have jumped from the towers and not died." So he was telling us then that there were things like that which have gone on forever.

QUESTION: Who was the tempter?

SERENA: He was himself. Jesus discovered that in himself lay all sins of man. Yet He overcame the world, he said. And that's why he made that statement. Within him he found all things. He found a heaven and a hell. He found a weakness and he found a strength, and he wrestled for 40 days and overcame. But He found that he himself was the tempter. Because he had the fleshly body of all men. That's why he was able to take on the sins of the world. He didn't take them on, he was them. He found his oneness with all things, and He saw that the greatest Devil was within people that he met every day that didn't understand about God.

QUESTION: I understand the man's question maybe differently from what it is meant to be, but I do not see the power of being able to move objects as a negative thing at all. If it is down at Duke and the other parapsychology laboratories, they have proven that this is psychokinetic energy and many, many people can do it. And it is not the work of the Devil.

SERENA: I think we were just talking about, I did mention the people who felt they could use the negative energies, the powers and they too could move things because the power of the mind is totally unlimited. Scientists are still trying to find out everything a man can do with it.

QUESTION: Serena, I can only speak for myself, but in this lifetime I feel I have had many very wrong emotional feelings, negative feelings. And it has been proven ... (inaudible) always with us. Would that mean that even though now I am clean, and understand what I have done, would that mean that I am a fairly new soul? I mean I couldn't have been evolving very long to have these feelings.

SERENA: Oh, yes you could. It takes quite awhile. It takes ages after ages. We live a countless number of years.

QUESTION: And every lifetime is there a degree or residue there that has to be taken on and transmuted again? .

SERENA: Because you see at that God doesn't have a garbage can. So everything we have ever thought or ever done or ever seen has to be within us. It is just as we progress it slowly exhausts itself. But once we totally overcome something and we come forward to earth or any other plane of existence again, then something must happen to us to trigger it off again to make sure we have gotten it all from us.

QUESTION: Serena, would you say that your soul is (inaudible)

SERENA: I would.

QUESTION: Maybe this is just me, maybe nobody else has ever felt this way. maybe it is just now that I feel it, but I have a tendency to be lazy. I don't like to get up. I never have, and I don't believe that I ever will. Why not just cool it through this lifetime. I'm just going to start tomorrow and I going to cool it.

SERENA: Now you are experiencing what Jesus experienced in the wilderness. That's the tempter.

QUESTION: That's what I am saying. Why don't I just cool it for this one and in the next one I'll try to find it. You say that the easy way (inaudible) I'm serious. I don't understand.

SERENA: Well, if you want to wait, you can. I wouldn't advise it.. It's worth striving for. QUESTION: What is? SERENA: Oneness with God. And that is through striving to know God in everything that we look at. Once we truly know God, all ignorance fades away. And when ignorance fades away then we see total oneness with all things. It is not anything we are striving towards, .it is not a path that we are laying down to reach God in one day. It is a slow blossoming forth of the God within us. A little every day. And it is a constant struggle to always be giving instead of receiving.

QUESTION: Then it is not important to receive as well as to give? SERENA: Well, if we make receiving our only goal in life then the giving becomes false. QUESTION: And vice-versa. SERENA: It is when we give and we don't expect anything in return, and we love and we don't expect to be loved in return, and we serve and don't expect to be served then we are becoming more in the image of God. Think of how much God loves us and all He does for us, and He doesn't ask for anything in return. Look at all he gives us. Time after time after time he watches us fall down and stand back up again. There is a man, Meher Baba, who once said, "There is only one true gift, because in order for it to be a true gift, the giver must give it not expecting to receive anything and therefore must forget that he gave the gift. And the receiver, so the receiver won't be obligated, must also forget. That is a true gift." And that is the love that God gives to us. He gave it and he forgets about it. Because he loves us so much that it is just continuously there. He doesn't work at loving us, He just loves us. And that is the only true gift. So surely we must fashion ourselves like that. QUESTION: Then what you are saying is we really shouldn't try to understand or worry about the things that we have been taught and heard and known all of our lives. We should put our minds towards loving God and let that be the only thing we think about.

SERENA: When we love God we are loving everything in its entirety. And when we seek to understand every man then we are seeking to better understand God and his divine plan on earth. So the most important thing is to love God. Not just God in heaven, but God in man - loving God in man. God in nature. Love God and serve God. Serve God through prayer for other men, through serving other men when we can, through good thoughts constantly about all mankind. That is loving and serving God. Not just God somewhere that we can sit back and let the rest of the world rot away, and we can consider ourselves good men because we know God, but loving God everywhere we see. God is here now. People are begging to see God and God walks down the street by us all the time - everyday. Everyday God calls us on the telephone. Sometimes we like to talk to God but sometimes God calls and we don't. But oh how I'd love to see you God. That man who is walking beside us on the street is as much of God as we will ever see. And when we have full understanding of that man then we have understanding of God, and understanding of ourselves. Every man is a mirror. And every man we look at will reflect to us what we truly are. I have laughed before at the thought. Have you ever noticed that your best friends are the people who are just like you? I have heard people say and I know you have, "Oh, she is just like me. We are best friends. She's my enemy. She's not like me at all. We don't have any of the same interests." Doesn't that tell mankind something? Wake up mankind. Don't run from that part of yourself that you don't like. Turn the part of you that you don't like into the part that you do like. And love thyself. And love thy neighbor as thyself. Because your neighbor is yourself.

QUESTION: I had a very interesting thing happen to me today. A friend called me, this 82 year old rabbi (inaudible) He lives in this country and he doesn't have a lot of people here who he knows personally. I (inaudible) with him once. And they called and they said, "Judy, he was asking for you. Would you please go see him." And I said, "Well, (inaudible)" And he said, "Judy, wait a minute. The only way we are all going to get to heaven is on the arms of those we help to get there." I thought that was pretty good.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

QUESTION: Does man edify himself or God?

SERENA: Does man what?

QUESTION: Edify, build up.

SERENA: Himself? or God? That's all in the intent we have. Surely the intent within our heart is what speaks loudest. It is not that important what mankind feels about us. The most important thing is what God feels about us. When we do a good deed, and it was through pure intent, then no matter how nasty someone may treat us, the soul recognizes. God always recognizes God. And we get from life and from God exactly what we put into life and God. We give and we receive more to give. And that is how it must be. Do I have a question over here?

QUESTION: This (inaudible) in talking about (inaudible) I wonder if it is the same thing that I am experiencing (inaudible) But as I was growing up people always told me that I had to look inside, but that didn't do very much for me or for anybody else. Because I really didn't have the love to go along with it. My parents, yes, and my close friends, but as for my fellow man on the street, I really didn't use it for anything very constructive. But now everything seems to be falling into place and it frightens me sometimes. I'll see or a situation will occur where somebody has done something bad to somebody else or to me even, and it's like immediately I can see through the deed itself as to why they are doing that. And it frightens.me. And it come bang, bang, bang. One on top of the other. And when I look at someone now, I don't see what they've done or what they are doing, but why. (inaudible)

SERENA: Many people have the gift of insight. And we fail to use properly. We must use it along with divine love. It must go with it. The two must go hand and hand.

QUESTION: What bummers me is that now I get pictures of a situation, and I see people going after many (inaudible) every day. Just tremendous amounts towards things that, well, I don't know whether it counts or not, but if they spent just a portion of that energy that they pour out just going after materialistic things, if just a small portion could poured out on why we are really here, we would progress at a tremendous rate.

SERENA: I think I'll put a chair for you up here beside me. That's so true.

QUESTION: I'm asking all the questions. For what purpose is the Bible?

SERENA: A guide. Something for us to hold in faith.

QUESTION: Does it also hold a timetable or not?

SERENA: What do you mean by that?

QUESTION: A chronological timetable. Is there revelation?

SERENA: Yes, as soon as you find your oneness with God. You mean is there a disaster. If man wishes it. The only reason we would need to go through all these disasters upon the earth is because man refuses to open his eyes. Then we would need that. So He will force to have mankind wake up.

QUESTION: Will he refuse?

SERENA: I have a feeling that he might wake up. And then we won't need any of that.

QUESTION: The Bible won't have to be fulfilled?

SERENA: I think the Bible will be fulfilled being that it is full of God's promises and God's words. But it will be fulfilled even quicker if man wakes up and doesn't need all the disasters. The Revelation that was given to St. John surely that was his actually finding himself one with God, and he received all these things. And in that book of Revelation, like every man that I have ever talked to, read Revelation and you will see that you can always build your own categories.

QUESTION: Do you think this time is quickening now, this increased knowledge.

SERENA: I do, yes. I think so.

QUESTION: You said that Revelation was the (inaudible) and (inaudible) of God. That doesn't mean that all that (inaudible) of the whole world. That's just - is that all (inaudible)

SERENA: If man will wake up, then that doesn't need to happen. There would be no need. If man would turn to God, that's what we're here for.

QUESTION: That's what the Bible teaches.

QUESTION: A not very original observation is that it can be applied to each individual person instead of to the world. And the Seven Seals can be the seven sins within us. (inaudible) negative beings coming out of us. This is a possibility.

SERENA: There are a lot of ideas about Revelation, but that's true. It's whatever we want, whatever we truly seek, that is what we shall have, abundantly.

QUESTION: Last night was the first time I came to a meeting, and tonight's the second. Is there someone else on earth that has the same knowledge in their heart as you?

SERENA: I think so, probably.

QUESTION: You don't know for a fact that there is or there isn't.

SERENA: I don't know. I haven't met them.

QUESTION: Why are you here now?

SERENA: For you and you and you and you. Just for people like yourself. God says that when you are ready, I'll send you a teacher. When you open yourself, I'll send you a message. When you open your eyes, I'll show you a vision.

QUESTION: Revelation says that the time will not be fulfilled until all hear. So there must be more than you.

SERENA: That's what I said. Probably. I don't mean to say that I am the only one at all. I just really haven't met them. I haven't met any more teachers like that. A lot of teachers, but not exactly like that.

QUESTION: Serena, so many people in orthodox religions keep looking for Jesus to come at some specific time in the future and then everything is going to be all right. I feel this is a mistake because God is with us always, and we don't have to wait for somebody else to come.

SERENA: Surely when we find God, we will find Jesus, like we were talking about that Friday night.

QUESTION: Well, I feel like this meaning of when Jesus is coming back is when Divine Love is in all of our hearts, then Jesus will be back. It will be universal love of God, because Jesus himself said, "God and I are one."

SERENA: But we are also waiting for an avatar to come.

QUESTION: We need all the helpers we can get.

QUESTION: Along that line, how does the "dead in Christ" meet him?

SERENA: How does the what?

QUESTION: "The dead in Christ" meet their God?

SERENA: I don't understand.

QUESTION: The second coming of Christ - How do the "dead in Christ" meet him?

SERENA: I don't understand these earth terms.

QUESTION: Resurrection of the dead.

SERENA: I still don't understand. I think I don't understand resurrection of the dead.

QUESTION: According to the Bible when Christ comes again, he will come in the air. The dead in Christ will arise first.

SERENA: The air is spirit. Air could be the Holy Breath. Some of these things sometimes I don't always understand. I don't mean to offend you, but I don't always understand enough to answer it. I still don't think I understand. Could someone else answer that?

QUESTION: Yes. Revelation says that the "dead in Christ" shall rise at the second coming, but we could take that also that the spirits, we as we have been sitting could be dead. Coming could awaken men tonight.

QUESTION: Could it also be (inaudible).

QUESTION: There are some.

QUESTION: Serena, it is my teaching, you may agree or disagree, that we are a world within ourselves. When we solve those problems of that world, eventually the problems of the greater world may also be solved. It is also my teaching that without me there can be no world in me.

QUESTION: You see, a lot of people or religions believe that when a person dies they are going to shed this particular ...

QUESTION: No, I was just trying to say something ...

QUESTION: Oh, I see. Because some take it this way, too, when they shed the physical, that they will arise again when Christ returns .

QUESTION: Serena, couldn't it be a matter of awareness. If we are "dead in Christ" this could mean that we simply are unaware of the Christ consciousness that dwells within, and when we are awakened in Christ then we ....

SERENA: Then you are reborn.

QUESTION: Right. We have become aware of the Christ consciousness.

QUESTION:But definite (?) tastes of acid not of fire from the Christ.

SERENA: (inaudible) baptism by the water (inaudible)

QUESTION: And of the Holy Spirit.

SERENA: Which is the water. I think a true baptism, a pure cleansing, is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which can come about by being baptized by the water in spirit. Water can be spirit.

QUESTION: How many gifts do you derive from this?

SERENA: From what?

QUESTION: From this baptism.

QUESTION: How many spiritual gifts are you allowed through this? When the spirit descends upon mankind there are gifts given - the healing and prophecy and speaking in tongues.

SERENA: Well, when the Holy Spirit, when you open yourself to the Holy Spirit, then surely your healing will be through the love that you poured forth for mankind, the prophecy would be your insights, your opening of yourself to the needs and wants of every man - that would give you prophesy - that would show you things to come, things which need to come. And the speaking of the heavenly language - surely when we open ourselves totally to God and totally to man then the thing that pours through us has to be the heavenly language - ­the language of union - the feeling of oneness with all mankind and all souls. Those are the greatest gifts.

QUESTION: Total spiritual understanding.

QUESTION: I don't quite understand something now. Earlier back I asked you where you got your information, and you said from the heart. And I feel that I get my information from the heart and from the Bible. Now why wouldn't you? I assume that you have been sent to give me more information or more insights. Why wouldn't your information, why wouldn't you be able to answer just about any question just like that. You can answer some and then other questions you have trouble with. Why?

SERENA: Some things I don't understand.

QUESTION: Why? I don't understand why.

QUESTION: May I answer? When you are talking to her, you're talking more of a doctrinal type of thing. She is just purely answering you from a spiritual standpoint, which is not doctrine.

QUESTION: That's right. She is answering from the standpoint of highest spiritual consciousness, but not necessarily from the standpoint of theological doctrine to which she is not accustomed. It is something that she has to familiarize herself with as time goes by. What are the various doctrines of the various religions are, but to her there is only a total unity beyond all doctrine, beyond all religious beliefs. There is only One. And this One consciousness that she has is called cosmic consciousness. Therefore when there are specific questions that relates to a theological point or doctrinal point, it is something that may-it is not quite acceptable to her because it is something that is man made. It is something that came forth from the mind of man, but it is not exactly coming forth from the consciousness of God which we have. There seem to have been many, many problems in the past two thousand years in the church itself, say the Christian teaching, ever since Christ walked the earth have split into how many sects and each sect has a little bit different belief. So if one comes forth with one light or concept within his belief, this she may be able to answer because it catches something of which - which touches the unity of all man which is beyond all the teachings. But then there may be some things which are purely - have been brought up and written out by the minds of men ­those are the doctrinal questions which she can't answer. Like the "dead in Christ" like we said.

SERENA: In other words, I don't read, and if I do read, I never seem to change what one man believes to be total understanding of a subject were mine to be different. I wouldn't seek to change his. I don't read books. And therefore there are things, especially a lot of - I'll just put it bluntly- mortal terms, I don't understand.

QUESTION: Why don't you please tell your story, because there seem to be quite a few new ones here. And that would clarify a few points.

SERENA: There won't be as many new ones next week, but we'll tell it. Who would like to tell my story? Don't make me. I have only been here since October 31,1974. The body I am in now is a borrowed body that was sent to earth this time for the purpose of coming to an age, an appropriate age and a point of purity that I could enter in. The other soul was transported to another realm.

QUESTION: Realm? What's that?

SERENA: Another world we visit. And there are many mortal terms that I don't understand. But I don't read. I don't claim to give you basic teachings at all. I don't even claim to be a teacher. I claim to be a talker. I can only tell you things that are true to me. And if they are not true to you, then that means you are looking for someone else besides me. But I can only give you what I have. And what I have doesn't come from man's doctrines at all. It comes from what I know inside me to be true. And I didn't read the Bible, but I know it to be true. I know and recognize things which God has given to us to study, to use as a guide, and to cling to to better help him understand God. But I myself am bound to no doctrine of any man. I can't be.

QUESTION: Would you clarify your story further?

SERENA: (inaudible) Then what, Fred?

QUESTION: I wouldn't presume to say.

QUESTION: You're pure spirit in that you are what is within each of us. We are you.

SERENA: You see, I have found my oneness with God a long, long time ago. As I have put it before, I journeyed, and I completed my journey. And when I completed my journey, found my oneness with all creatures, then I became the journey, and I have come forward again to offer that journey to mankind now. If you want it. If you don't, there are other people.

QUESTION: Where do you come from?

SERENA: God, and it is He that I abide in.

QUESTION: God is in all people.

SERENA: Yes, but I found God within myself, and it is now that the God within me speaks through me. There is no me; there is no Serena; there is nothing but God.

QUESTION: (inaudible) we recognize and we remember and come back (inaudible)

QUESTION: Once this has been reached, what about physical contact, smoking, drinking.

SERENA: I don't try to indulge. I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't use any foul language. I don't drink coffee, I don't drink iced tea.

QUESTION: I don't either, but we still seem to be a lot different.

SERENA: Surely we will be able to do whatever we seek to do, but it is not that I would lay my hands on a man and say, "Be healed." It would be better that I would sit across the room from you, see the things which trouble you, see your blindness, see the ignorance that all men have, and I would share with you some of my light that perhaps you might see something that you have not seen before. But I won't be healing a blind man, helping a blind man heal himself? And if I say to you, "Walk in the light."

QUESTION: Can a blind man heal himself?

SERENA: The blind that I am talking about can. I don't claim to be a miracle worker, not a healer.

QUESTION: No, I am just saying, can we reach that point when he finds one within himself. I want a specific question that is very real answered. I can't go with that unless you say that.

SERENA: O.K. You mean if a man finds his oneness with God, will he be able to heal?

QUESTION: Yes.

SERENA: Yes, but Sir, what if I told you that there is a far greater healing than the one ...

QUESTION: I'd be glad to listen to anything.

SERENA: There is a far greater healing than one of making a blind man to see. That's letting him see with the eyes of the soul rather than with the physical eyes. Let us go far beyond the physical plane. When we reach a point of understanding and oneness with all things then surely we see that man is experiencing and the greatest way we can help him is not to restore his physical sight unless it be God's will, then we would of course. But let's open his eyes to his soul and let him see that way. There are too many men that are blinded now. If we can let them see with the eyes of the soul, we are healing them far greater than physical eyes. Perhaps that is what Jesus meant, "You will do greater things than I have done." Because there is more to do than the physical world. He said, "I go and prepare a place for you. You will do greater things than I." Perhaps we will reach oneness and show man this place that he has put there for us. We will show man God.

QUESTION: I agree, but still that same question bugs me. It is still tearing at me. Can you, can me, can he, can anyone when you reach your oneness with God put your hand on another person and heal him.

SERENA: Yes.

QUESTION: Sometimes this healing is not physical. Suppose a person has a withered hand, and you laid your hands on that person with total God ­consciousness, you could bring a healing to that person, perhaps not with the withered hand, but you could help that person become filled with God, then the withered hand doesn't matter because he has had a spiritual healing.

QUESTION: Both of them would be a healing. I mean one healing is no greater than another healing. Correcting a finger or correcting a leg wouldn't be any different.

SERENA: You could.

QUESTION: That's all I wanted to know.

SERENA: I talked a long time about that one. Sorry.

QUESTION: (inaudible) Isn't the most important part that we'll ever (inaudible) is just to love God. Isn't that what we should try to do more than anything else.

SERENA: You know I've said that. Yes.

QUESTION: Serena, have you ever had doubts and worries within yourself.

SERENA: Doubts about mankind, worries about mankind, yes. Nothing to worry about though, or doubt.

QUESTION: Do you ever doubt yourself? Or your mission?

SERENA: No. Not at all. I feel like I am going to do it.

QUESTION: Serena, so many people are perplexed about why they are ill. Whether it is a withered hand or a withered leg or a sickness of many different kinds, will you set us straight about what is the basic reason why we are ill or handicapped.

SERENA: Well, the illness is caused by an imbalance within ourselves, and it is usually something that must come forward, and it comes forward in the physical body for us to work it out, and to experience. We must experience being ill so we can appreciate us being well. But we must be ill yet again until we are wise about being well and not having ill health. And that is when we recognize the needs of those who are suffering around us. Through our own suffering. We must experience all these things, and this is imbalance within us slowly working itself out to a point where we find oneness.

QUESTION: In other words, when a person is actually suffering on the physical plane say from surgery or whatever, they should not be praying for the pain of their own selves but for the pain, of all lives and the release of that particular pain in that area maybe for all human beings.

SERENA: Well, we can be assured that any pain we feel, that there is a man on earth who feels the pain much worse.

QUESTION: Serena, I know this may be irrelevant and a little far out but I realize that you have now a borrowed gift. Am I going to use it?

SERENA: No.

QUESTION: Where you were before - did you have, I mean, do we all have ... Are we just souls floating or do we have to have a reason, and if so what are we doing.

SERENA: I was on automatic pilot for awhile.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

SERENA: Well, we really need one until we learn what we are doing. We have to first imagine that what we consider floating souls, they don't have anywhere to float. Everything is God, so we are God experiencing God through God.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

SERENA: Souls are like a wheel, and they continually turn, and for each time we turn this much, that is an experience on the path. And when we reach a point where the circle is complete, the circle within ourselves, then that is our oneness with God. All souls are circles, wheels turning. Striving to know God. That is the purpose of all mankind, of all peoples, of all beings everywhere. That is the Divine Plan. That is the Plan of Creation.

QUESTION: When we go on from here, will we look like this?

SERENA: No, there are other places where you don't look like this at all. You don't see physical bodies there. But it is important here on this earth. We must experience that too.

QUESTION: Do you think your .... Are you ... Will you live again, then? Have you reached a level - you said you have found your oneness - will you stay the same or will you grow old?

SERENA: Sir, rather than for me to sit and tell you that I feel that I will do this or I will do that, why don't you just stay around for a few weeks and then tell me what you see. That will be far better than me ever telling you. Nothing is true to a man unless he finds it true within himself. And perhaps the greatest revelation that Jesus ever gave any of those people - any of them at all - was when they realized that He was God. That was the greatest thing that he gave to any man. And it was one of those things that he never handed to anyone. They found it on their own. And that is the way God gives us all these things that we seek for.

QUESTION: O.K. Has anyone like you ever come before back before the world was destroyed or before Christ came or anything?

SERENA: Yes, beings such as I have been here many times.

QUESTION: The reason that I ask this is that I have never read of this. Is this readable information.

SERENA: I haven't written a book yet.

QUESTION: Is there anywhere you can find reference to it?

QUESTION: Lobsang Rampa. Something very similar to that.

SERENA: That's not similar enough. Yes, there is a man named Lobsang Rampa, who lived on the earth. He is still living I believe in Canada. He is very old now. And he lived in Tibet (Mrs. Walters can tell his story better than I) and there was a man in England, and this man in England was going to commit suicide because he wasn't very happy on earth, and it seems that since he wanted to leave the earth, he was given the opportunity to let Lobsang Rampa leave his body in Tibet and enter the one of the man in England. And the man's soul would go on. But this was a transporting. And this is the only one I know about that you can really read about, right now at this time. It is the transporting of one soul to one part of the earth or another, and the removal of one soul from· earth. But I didn't come from one part of the earth to another. So that's the closest one.

(Fred comment 2009: Eckhart Tolle?)

QUESTION: Serena, you say we are like a wheel experiencing. Are we half way around yet? SERENA: It is a big wheel, Sir.

QUESTION: Do you find it necessary and is it possible that you can go back to the plane that you came from? Or are you ...

SERENA: I can't.

QUESTION: You can't.

QUESTION: You mentioned the fact the other night, you said, "Sir, I like you. really like you." Do you like me better than anyone else in this room. SERENA: No, I would have told you so if I did. I didn't say, "Sir, I like you better than anyone else." I just said, "I like you." I didn't say, "I love you." I just said, "I like you." I just made a statement. But if I loved you more than anyone else, I'd tell you.

QUESTION: Wait. Do you like everyone the very same? No one no different? Or is some people close special? No one is special? Everybody is the same?

SERENA: Right. It is just that if I ever catch a door that even has a glimmer of being open, I like to put something in there. That was my piece of paper in your door so it can't completely shut. But I do like you. But no more than any of the rest of you.

QUESTION: In our research when you came, it was actually the story of Abraham and Melchizedek that you could find (inaudible)

SERENA: You would find it very interesting, Sir. The lady who is speaking was one of the first ones who saw me when I first came on earth. And this body which housed once a young girl lived with this lady, and suddenly one day things changed and I think I was almost put away into a hospital. You would really find it very interesting.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

QUESTION: Just as something to say, when I was a young child the doctors told my parents that I was going to die at the age of nine or eleven, and my parents didn't want that to happen, and they told me, and it didn't make any difference to me one way or the other. Anyway they operated on my heart and made my aorta, the tube that's used to let blood out to the body, they made it bigger. And then later on in my life, I burned my hands pretty severely, but I have never asked why to God or to anyone else.

SERENA: You just let it happen. I know what you mean.

QUESTION: It's kind of interesting to see. Those of us that, I wasn't one of them, but those who knew the other girl are those who now call this one The Divine, and those of us who came as skeptics originally are those of us who find her in our dreams every night, and in our thoughts almost all the time, and say that she has changed our lives. Those of us who have studied for many years as some of us here have about spiritual matters, and this is one of the things that first caught my eye, was to see these people who have studied for thirty and thirty-five years kneel at her feet. That's all I can say. What she says is right. Stick around and listen and watch your dreams and find out what starts going around in your head after a while, and you will probably be glad you did.

SERENA: You would only be a foolish man if you came in here just a few times and I told you the same story and you said I believe, that wouldn't be possible.

QUESTION: Yes. It's too strange.

SERENA: Well, I don't know about that.

QUESTION: What happened to the other girl's soul?

SERENA: She went on experiencing.

QUESTION: Is she in another body now, Serena, or is she still progressing and learning.

SERENA: I'd say she is in another body now.

QUESTION: As an infant?

SERENA: Yes.

QUESTION: I just wanted to add to what Fred said. I have studied over the transcript that's been made and some of the tapes, and I have been to a good number of meetings, and I must say as far as I can tell from my poor understanding that everything that I have read, I believe everything that she has said is very much the truth. Now, for whatever good that is. To me it sounds true. Mrs. Walters, what would you say? That it sounds true?

QUESTION: Oh, Heavens, yes.

QUESTION: If this is not too personal, may I ask did you not have parents here on this earth plane that you still relate with?

SERENA: I have no parents. Except an eternal Mother and eternal Father.

QUESTION: Go through that again?

SERENA: I don't know if I have said something wrong about it that shouldn't be, but people keep asking me to say that.

QUESTION: I just can't understand. I've never heard it this way.

SERENA: After I tell you, will you please tell me how you have heard it. I know I must have said something that is different from what other people have said. I didn't realize that. I've never run into anyone who has had this opportunity. But surely it is to be to me is the Father God, the Mother God, and Son, as it is said, "As it is in heaven, so it is here." "As it is above, so it is below," then surely that is that the father and the mother joining together in total love and total purity to give the offspring of the son which is total Divine Love, and that to me is symbolic of the way it is here on earth. The man and woman, this isn't to say that there is a creature called Father God and Mother God, that dated for six months and then got married, but I do believe that that is symbolic here on earth for us to use, to give us an example of two people joining together in total love and purity, and so aiding the consciousness of the planet. You remember that young girl that disagreed with me, when she said "I can't believe that I have anything to do with whether my son will be pure or not. That's not what I meant. We are all co-creators, and we very much so have a hand in the consciousness of this planet. And when we ourselves seek to become pure, and when the union of two people is pure, then certainly the offspring shall be pure, because we will bring impure souls into pure surroundings and aid them on their path to purity. - QUESTION: What do you mean by purity?

SERENA: The purifying of the thoughts, the intents that we go through each day. Learning to love people, not just love you physically, but love you because you're God and I'm God, and I love you. Loving all men equally. Seeing things for what they truly are. Cleaning our vessels.

QUESTION: That's not to rule out a physical manifestation.

SERENA: No, but there is more. The most important thing is I believe that God gave this gift to man, the gift of physical union, but he also wishes for us to see the truth behind all these things. That they are not to be taken lightly. That they are not to be misused. That we can put God everywhere in our lives. Everything steps up a degree of consciousness, everything. Just purely from the intent of our hearts.

QUESTION: Should we be sitting here asking these questions and talking in this nature or should we be spending this time to worship God.

SERENA: Aren't we learning about God? Isn't that worship? What do you want to do?

QUESTION: You asked me to explain to you the way that I heard it. The way I understand it, there was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The Father was God, the Son was Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost was what He or the Holy Spirit, was what He left to dwell in us when he was crucified and went back to live with God. That made God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost that lives within us now, one in all and all in one. And when you explain· it differently it blows my mind.

QUESTION: There must be a negative and a positive. If the female represents the negative and the force of God is the positive, these two unions we have this in our world. And we are a copy of this here below like it is there, we must have a balance God must have a balance to show us. So the Holy Ghost is the Mother aspect. The Father, the Mother, the union of the Two creating the Son.

QUESTION: I agree. That sounds great, but...

QUESTION: It sure sounds one-sided to have the Father, the Son...

QUESTION: Right. That don't sound good to me either, but the only thing I have got to go by, what I always have gone by, is what it says in the Bible about the Trinity. And it says Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. But it does not sound right to leave out the mother, but I've not got the right to say whether it is or not. All I can go by is what I read.

QUESTION: Another way it is said sometimes is that there is God the Father, the Son, which is man, and the Mother, which is earth and nature and all about us. That's another way to say the same thing . AII of them are the same thing that we are saying and sometimes the hard part is to agree that we are really in agreement, and we are not in disagreement, but we are just using different words.

QUESTION: That's right. It is just the terminology. But actually man is (inaudible) the same as God is, because you are spirit, soul and body, which responds to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And the Holy Ghost stands for the Matter aspect, or the body. Then you have it right within you. You are it yourself.

QUESTION: The Bible teaches that the spirit comes back to dwell in us.

QUESTION: That's right. You have the spirit within you. You have the soul which God regards the same. And you have the physical body, which represents the matter aspect. So that the Trinity is repeated within man. SERENA: What if we looked at it like this. What if we had a mom and a dad and a son. The father is the creator, and the mother and the father are eternally one and cannot be separated yet only for this discussion, just to discern between the two. And through the union of the mother and the father, or the negative and positive forces, together they conceived a child, a new soul. And this new soul had both the attributes of the mother and the attributes of the father, and being that the father and the mother are one with all things, then therefore this new soul had to have both light and darkness within it. Being that the mother and the father were one with all things, this new soul had to be the bud of all knowledge, yet at the same time, all ignorance, because it must be everything within itself. The mother gave birth, and the mother was within the new soul. The mother's love, the mother's grace within this new soul brought the soul to a point of descending into darkness like a seed and going back, reaching the Christ within itself, reaching who it totally was, that it was the Son, from the Mother and from the Father, and going again into the Father. I'll tell you the story about the seed. I don't think that you have heard it. If we hold a seed in the palm of our hand, we can hold it outside. No matter how much rain, how much sunshine, how much air it gets, it does the seed no good. The seed remains in the palm of our hands. It cannot grow. When we rid the soul, or the seed of the light and the air and the water, and we put it in the ground, it almost becomes afraid. "It's dark in here. It's close in here." But then the seed becomes wise and it gives of itself to the ground, and takes from the ground, which are our experiences that we have that we take within us, and we grow from them. And the seed takes from this earth and grows from it. And when it reaches the light, or when it reaches God, the light that the seed came from in the first place, it recognizes why it needed that darkness, and it recognizes the full importance of the light. Only when it comes forward into the light the second time can it use this air, this water, this sunshine. The seed is likened unto the soul.

QUESTION: Where I got my information, going back a little bit, about the Trinity, of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is that I knew people that speak- I know a couple of people personally and I have read about hundreds - and it is some religions that believe that speak with a spirit instead of with their natural language. And a voice that they do not understand comes out of their mouth even. without them knowing what they are saying. And I have actually talked to these people, and they do not even understand their own voice. And they say that it is the Spirit speaking through them. What is this? It is called "speaking in tongues."

SERENA: Well, if we open ourselves to God, then that would be possible for them. But why would we have to separate it and say that this has to be the mother or the Holy Spirit talking through me now. Why can't we just say, "It's God. The God within me coming forward." For the God within you is one with the God without. God is one and no matter how many times we try to separate him, it cannot be done.

QUESTION: But then actually people do - they are not making that up - just normally that just actually happens.

SERENA: Yes. I believe that it is real. The God within us is a mighty thing, and when we let it loose ...

QUESTION: Is the Trinity more a symbolism for man - I mean the Mother and Father.

SERENA: It would have to be in symbolism because there can be no separation of God. I think that is only a symbolism of God to show man that as it is above, so it is below. But God cannot be separated.

QUESTION: Maybe this might help the gentleman, since I am an electrical engineer. You take a bar of steel that is magnetized, and science says that it has a north pole and a south pole, yet they can cut that piece of steel 6 inches long into one inch pieces, and each piece still has a north and a south pole. They can't get rid of the north and the south pole no matter what they do. No matter how small they cut it, they still have a north and a south pole. And the flow of energy is from the north pole along the outside to the south pole. And it goes through the magnet and it goes through the air .. So this might help clarify his position if he could see that although there is or seems to be opposite poles, yet there is still one. And where there might be a pole at one end and a pole at the other, there is a bar in the middle, and the flow goes through like the flow that goes through the son. And the father at one end and the mother at the other. And the son in between through which everything is flowing.

SERENA: The son is all that in between because the son represents the seed. That's why Jesus came to earth. That's why Jesus overcame the earth. That's why Jesus overcame death. He represented coming to earth, for he was the seed. He came to earth and he grew and he blossomed, and he returned. All right in front of man. QUESTION: I think some time this young man would enjoy hearing of your experience for three days when you heard the words, "Know the sufferings of my Lord Jesus." Maybe he would like that.

QUESTION: One last question. What is your mission?

SERENA: To talk. I don't know more than that.

QUESTION: Do you have a little time?

SERENA: A little time when compared to an eternity, but a long time when compared to one day.Now shall we have prayer? God, thank you for this opportunity to let these human beings touch each other tonight. To give us an opportunity to have the opportunity to look at the world through another man's eyes. May this open our understanding to the needs and wants and dreams of all men, which in turn can lead us to oneness of all things, the unity of all existence. May we soon grow to understand that all men are starving to know God, all men need God, all men are God. Help us to serve and not ask to be served, to give, give abundantly of ourselves never asking to receive anything. Help us to love the world, love the world in truth not expecting any man to give us a kind word for the things we do, but let these things come from our heart. Open our eyes to the light and to the dark, and help us to achieve understanding of both. Thank you again for this opportunity and for this beautiful world.In Your Name. Amen.